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#1 · (Edited)
I have not been on here in a long time so I apologize if you all already know this but I confirmed today at AUSA that the MR556A4 will be announced next month as one of the three new HKs.
 
#5 ·
I heard announced but don’t quote me on that. Did also confirm no civilian G36, UMP, or MP7 just too many issues with importing barrels, Germany not wanting to export parts, lack of good metal in the US (don’t know) and in the case of the MP7 it is not considered a sporting caliber. I couldn’t get the third item out of them.
 
#13 · (Edited)
Had about a twenty-five minute conversation with an HK rep about today’s announcement and the future offerings of HK USA. And after giving him some grief about HK being slow to offer an update to the MR556, he flat out told me HK USA would be announcing the MR556A4 next month for the civilian market. I got the feeling that HK USA was planning a product announcement each month before the end of the year.
 
#12 ·
or they made a formal announcement?
They made a formal announcement to introduce 3 major new and/or enhanced platforms withing the next 4 months here:


The CC9 has been the first.

Are they going to offer mr556a4 to le/mil and civilian alike with modification based on customer base?
There have been several statements about the MR556A4:


 
#15 ·
Haven’t wanted to say anything but I have also seen the MR556a4. I was shown that it has two versions a 16” and a 11” SBR. It’s possible the SBR is only offered to government agencies tho. I was told it has a year lead time so probably Q3 25 but the dealer wasn’t sure if that was just place holder.

The bad news is nothing confirmed if the barrel was chrome lined or not. To me, that means it’s not.
 
#16 · (Edited)
so far the “new“ HK USA has been a major disappointment and is quite concerning to me. The CC9 killed what interest I might’ve had with no paddle mag release, the uncertainty being entirely made in the US and the fact it doesn’t even look like an HK offering. Literally If you tape over the HK on the side, you wouldn’t even know who made it. now with no civilian G36 or MP7 in the line up the ONLY other offering that could possibly redeem them would be finally offering European / mil spec MR556. If they aren’t going to chrome line the bbl of the A4 then they will have pretty much lost me as a customer after 30 years. The reason I buy HK and have for decades now is because I know HK Germany make extremely well made military derived firearms even if it’s neutered. If HK USA is going continue to make the same neutered stuff here except with the big question mark of uncertainty being newly US made there’s absolutely no reason for me to spend another dime on them especially if they’re no longer going import trusted German made firearms because they can make them here now.
 
#28 ·
Seems that the MR556A4 is probably going to be at least broadly (that being the operative word) similar to the yet to be released in Europe MR223A4/A5. Only product of the new MR223/308 series that HK has actually released is the MR308A6, and even then it's not yet commercially available. The MR308A6 is right now only being sold to the German Army as the G210 as a DMR and sniper rifle for the KSK and Frontier troops.
 
#32 ·
Look we get it, we hate that HK USA or whatever they are called keep doing what they do BUT you need to understand that they are looking to market thier guns to the masses, HK GmbH is a euro company that makes euro guns for euro people using the style of weapon platform that they are used to. Here in AMERICA, we use the button release predominantly i dont blame them for going with that option like they did with teh VP9-B.

Now, i was told that the CC9 is a chassis system, so its possible that the 3rd party market will develop a new frame and mag system for the gun? Hell maybe Hk will drop one? Who knows, and who cares. Buy it or not, it is what it is. Im not in teh market for one of these micro 9's i have a g48x and its more than fine for my use.

I am hype about the new A4's because they are going to be HK made, well at lease HK USA made like the MR556A1 was.
 
#38 ·
I’m happy they released something brand new to the market that was built by them. This shows them trying to expand the business and the brand itself into new areas of the market. However that being said, it’s time to upgrade and expand the MR series of rifles. The first MR556 was seen in 2009 at shot show and released to the market in 2011 if im not mistaken. Since then we’ve seen the MR223a3 and all its variants and not to mention the 416 expand to the A5/A7/A8 versions all the improvements to the system. I wish they would roll the ball faster on that for us here in the US market. Hopefully next months announcement will be in regard to MR556 and MR762 series of rifles.
 
#46 ·
This is all good news. I appreciate what HK USA is trying to accomplish. Give HK credit for making the effort though. It would have been nice to see them come and play in 2010 when FN released the SCAR 16/17.

More important, it would be a damn shame if the MR 556 A4/A5 does not include a chrome lined CHF barrel. For a > $3k AR variant, it darn well should. If they can’t import the barrels or barrel blanks into the USA from Europe, there is no reason HK could not manufacture barrel blanks some how or have them hammered by DD or another company to make 416 based uppers. There are far more AR makers using hammer forges for barrels than there were a decade ago. It is feasible stateside now. If a KAC upper can get 15-20k rounds with their CHF barrels, I’m sure HK can find a way to get similar performance.

Regardless, if the new MR223/556 variant doesn’t not include a chrome lined barrel, it will be hard to justify a purchase over a high quality AR DI upper such as the Geissele URGI, Daniel Defense, Centurion Arms, etc. Geissele and DD uppers are getting insane groups with match ammo. With the advent of new flow through cans, the advantages of short stroke piston uppers over DI are not as great as they used to be. None of us on this forum are diving with our ARs, so over the beach capability is not an issue for us HKPro dorks. :p
 
#1,028 ·
Even Geissele's top quality match barrels are unlined stainless steel as are most others. Nobody has ever used chrome lined barrels in match or precision rifles. Certainly not here in the US anyway. Calling it a Match Rifle(MR) and having a chrome lined barrel would certainly consider false advertising by some. If having a chrome lined barrel is the most important thing to you they just aren't build that product but a really accurate semi auto piston rifle. It makes sense since the military version won out because of the piston and accuracy as well. In that case though standard military accuracy was 4-5 MOA and getting 2 MOA was a huge jump. A 2 MOA rifle on the civilian market is nothing really remarkable though and certainly not worth a premium so they did a good job and making it really accurate. It's not hard to build a chrome lined AR type rifle really cheap especially if you don't care about precision.

Lots of top shooters at Perry use rifles built by these guys.
 
#53 ·
if I wanted a side charging handle ill buy a roller lock HK or a Scar

If they aren’t going to chrome line the bbl of the A4 then they will have pretty much lost me as a customer after 30 years.
if the new MR223/556 variant doesn’t not include a chrome lined barrel, it will be hard to justify a purchase
if there is a MR556A4 it most likely won't be chrome lined like most recent HK offerings. I don't think that's a major factor unless HK goes out of business or HK plans to upgrade the MR556A4 to newer iteration in a few years "very unlikely". There is going to be a lot of spare parts to go around so a non chrome lined barrel isn't going to be a issue. You are buying MR556A4 not because its going to perform better than a DI AR design you are buying it cause its made by HK.
 
#55 ·
if I wanted a side charging handle ill buy a roller lock HK or a Scar



if there is a MR556A4 it most likely won't be chrome lined like most recent HK offerings. I don't think that's a major factor unless HK goes out of business or HK plans to upgrade the MR556A4 to newer iteration in a few years "very unlikely". There is going to be a lot of spare parts to go around so a non chrome lined barrel isn't going to be a issue. You are buying MR556A4 not because its going to perform better than a DI AR design you are buying it cause its made by HK.
As BarnOwnLover says, HK is known for their CHF chrome lined barrels on the 416/417. It is a selling point of the weapons system. The nitrided MR556A1 barrels they are selling do not match up to what Daniel Defense or Geissele can put out in terms of accuracy and durability. Of course, I am comparing short stroke vs DI uppers. However, I buy HK products to shoot, not be safe queens. I run my UMP conversion, Sp5, P30, VP9 because they meet or exceed other comparable offerings. I did not buy a MR556A1 or MR762A1 because neither platform does anything better, and in some cases not equivalent to, a well US made AR DI variant (DD, Geissele, KAC, LMT).

I like HK. I want them to succeed and not get screwed by the govt like in 1989. I want them to make me buy a MR556/762 with the latest ambi lower, handguard design and a CL CHF barrel. I want to shoot the snot out of it……assuming I ever get time off from work, lol.