[YVK]

I spent more time than I care to admit testing this out. Because everyone said 30L is easier / softer / etc, the pre-VP9 shooting team used it etc. I've never found it to be the case for me. In most tests the results were the same, and in speed-oriented tests 30 performed better in my hands. I prefer how it cycles. 30L was the first one to go.

 

[Mr.Mayhem]

I spent more time than I care to admit testing this out. Because everyone said 30L is easier / softer / etc, the pre-VP9 shooting team used it etc. I've never found it to be the case for me. In most tests the results were the same, and in speed-oriented tests 30 performed better in my hands. I prefer how it cycles. 30L was the first one to go.

Thank you for sharing your experience. What tests did you do? Do you still have the 30?

 

[SerpentTactical]

P30L...but in LEM

 

[west-cobb]

I run with a P30L V3 9mm in competition.

 

[YVK]

Thank you for sharing your experience. What tests did you do? Do you still have the 30?

Yes, I still have the P30 although I don't shoot my HKs much these days.

I used my USPSA and IDPA results, and a number of static range drills developed by Todd Green and Gabe White. Todd's test is a well known FAST

pistol-training.com » F.A.S.T. (Fundamentals, Accuracy, & Speed Test)

and Gabe uses a number of classic drills and drills of his own. I use Bill Drill that I at times push to 15 and 25 yards, the incapacitation drill and failure drill.

Performance Awards ? Gabe White Training

...The drills we use are the Bill Drill, Failure to Stop, Immediate Incapacitation, and the Split Bill Drill. All are shot on a single USPSA Metric or IDPA target or similar, with either a 4″ circle or 3×5″ card added to the head, at a distance of 7 yards. The shooter can start with hands at sides, hands at high torso, or a hands-up surrender position. At the start signal, the shooter draws and engages the target. The Bill Drill is six shots to the body. The Failure to Stop is two shots to the body and one shot to the head. Immediate Incapacitation is two shots to the head...


Finally, I also use a Garcia dot drill or its variants. It is a murder of a drill
pistol-training.com » Frank Garcia?s Dot Drill


In general, I find pistols with full(er) sized grips that allows to impart a good control and shorter (lighter and faster cycling) slides the most shootable bunch. You lose a little on sight radius but I don't have a ton of trouble hitting the B box of USPSA target at 25 yards with most guns that I own.

 

[Mr.Mayhem]

Yes, I still have the P30 although I don't shoot my HKs much these days.

I used my USPSA and IDPA results, and a number of static range drills developed by Todd Green and Gabe White. Todd's test is a well known FAST

pistol-training.com » F.A.S.T. (Fundamentals, Accuracy, & Speed Test)

and Gabe uses a number of classic drills and drills of his own. I use Bill Drill that I at times push to 15 and 25 yards, the incapacitation drill and failure drill.

Performance Awards ? Gabe White Training

...The drills we use are the Bill Drill, Failure to Stop, Immediate Incapacitation, and the Split Bill Drill. All are shot on a single USPSA Metric or IDPA target or similar, with either a 4″ circle or 3×5″ card added to the head, at a distance of 7 yards. The shooter can start with hands at sides, hands at high torso, or a hands-up surrender position. At the start signal, the shooter draws and engages the target. The Bill Drill is six shots to the body. The Failure to Stop is two shots to the body and one shot to the head. Immediate Incapacitation is two shots to the head...


Finally, I also use a Garcia dot drill or its variants. It is a murder of a drill
pistol-training.com » Frank Garcia?s Dot Drill


In general, I find pistols with full(er) sized grips that allows to impart a good control and shorter (lighter and faster cycling) slides the most shootable bunch. You lose a little on sight radius but I don't have a ton of trouble hitting the B box of USPSA target at 25 yards with most guns that I own.

Awesome. I'm leaning toward standard 30 after holding both today in the gun shop. The L just feels top heavy and looks out of place to me. Adding a light would make it more so i imagine. Are yours LEM??

 

[Mr.Mayhem]

Thank you also, YVK, for providing those links. After almost 10 years of carrying and shooting handguns I'm looking more deeply into serious training. Thanks.

 

[YVK]

Awesome. I'm leaning toward standard 30 after holding both today in the gun shop. The L just feels top heavy and looks out of place to me. Adding a light would make it more so i imagine. Are yours LEM??

Interestingly, when I measured both slides statically, the weight difference was quite small. However, in cycling I liked the 30 better. These tests that I mentioned, the hard part about them is to tease out the differences convincingly because results are pretty close. Also, shooter's performance variability on a run to run basis is probably more influential than any differences between the guns. That said, I am pretty sure that running fast spits was always easier with the 30 for me.

Yes, all of my HKs are/were highly modified LEM guns.

After almost 10 years of carrying and shooting handguns I'm looking more deeply into serious training.

Formal training is a good thing if done right. You need to define your needs well and do your due diligence in selecting your instructors. Lots of different options out there, some are better than others.

 

[Mr.Mayhem]

Interestingly, when I measured both slides statically, the weight difference was quite small. However, in cycling I liked the 30 better. These tests that I mentioned, the hard part about them is to tease out the differences convincingly because results are pretty close. Also, shooter's performance variability on a run to run basis is probably more influential than any differences between the guns. That said, I am pretty sure that running fast spits was always easier with the 30 for me.

Yes, all of my HKs are/were highly modified LEM guns.





Formal training is a good thing if done right. You need to define your needs well and do your due diligence in selecting your instructors. Lots of different options out there, some are better than others.

Yeah I'm getting away from LEM. Never was a fan of light lem. V2 is ok though. I know thats not a common view on here.

 

[YVK]

All I shoot now is DA/SA but in a context of this discussion, I don't think my preferences would've been different whether it was V1, V2 or V3.

 

[nimslow]

I've got all three, the P30SK/P30/P30L, all are V4.1LEM. Of the three, I shoot the P30 the least.

I do really like my 30L.

 

[djm214]

Love my P30L. As others have said before, the P30 is really the compact and the P30L is the full size (and obviously the SK is the subcompact). I think they should have just called the standard P30 a P30C instead.

P30L is just a pleasure to shoot, definitely my favorite 9mm out there.

 

[iLift45s]

I've got all three, the P30SK/P30/P30L, all are V4.1LEM. Of the three, I shoot the P30 the least.

I do really like my 30L.

Great pic! Love the threaded barrel. Want to get one for mine I just don't like the $300 price from hkparts. Where did you get yours?

 

[nimslow]

Great pic! Love the threaded barrel. Want to get one for mine I just don't like the $300 price from hkparts. Where did you get yours?

I got it from hkparts. I just bit the bullet (so to speak) since it appears that HK won't be importing any more factory barrels for the 30L.

 

[iLift45s]

I got it from hkparts. I just bit the bullet (so to speak) since it appears that HK won't be importing any more factory barrels for the 30L.

Talked to Hk today. Their getting more the first week in December. Almost $100 cheaper too.

 

[nimslow]

Talked to Hk today. Their getting more the first week in December. Almost $100 cheaper too.

That's great, back when I got mine, they were saying no more factory 30L barrels would be imported. I'm glad they changed their minds.

 

[Speedy2015]

Talked to Hk today. Their getting more the first week in December. Almost $100 cheaper too.

I called HKCS about a P30L threaded barrel late last year and the guy I talked to tried to convince me that HK didn't make a factory threaded barrel for the P30L. I said what about the one HKparts.net has for sale and dude said that's their deal....he still wouldn't admit that HK made one. I'm glad to see that they have acknowledged that they are made and will be bringing them in!!!! If this is in fact the case, I will be ordering one!

Cheers


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[iLift45s]

I called HKCS about a P30L threaded barrel late last year and the guy I talked to tried to convince me that HK didn't make a factory threaded barrel for the P30L. I said what about the one HKparts.net has for sale and dude said that's their deal....he still wouldn't admit that HK made one. I'm glad to see that they have acknowledged that they are made and will be bringing them in!!!! If this is in fact the case, I will be ordering one!

Cheers


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Yup. Took my credit card number to reserve it so once they get them I'll get a phone call asking if I still want it. Dude was great to talk to on the phone.

 

[Josefius]

I believe the P30L has the recoil slide buffer to reduce the recoil (a little) that the P30 does not. I just ordered a P30L mainly cause it was the only model I was able to handle and "feel" and loved it. I already have a VP9SK for EDC and love it, but wanted something a bit more full size.

My P30 has the buffer, not sure why yours doesn't.

 

[seery]

In addition to nylon, the P30L utilizes a large metal buffer. Whereas the P30 only uses a small nylon buffer.

I'm assuming that's what dieter9mm was referencing.