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Long ago were $500 or less. Now many times that price. Over $2k. Much harder to uncock the bolt with the PSG1 trigger as it has dual springs in it. Plus the 22 kit with not function with it.

i went with the then available WTS set trigger instead back then

thanks for the promt reply , prices are really skyrocketed ( if i spell correct ) in everything
 
H&K US Army Squad DMR (new).


Ballpark 9-lbs empty, 14+ as equipped.

16” barrel.

(FF thru promos).

600M expectation, IIRC, same as with AK4D.

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Yup! I always hear that the HK91/PTR91 are pretty inaccurate. I don’t want to go too crazy with the price too like the MR762 or a G28 clone but I could in the future. It sure does look awesome though!
Well, HK91 clones, like the PTR 91, MKE T-41 and others, can be highly accurate if you want to spend some money. The base platform it is ideal for some upgrades. Just to mention, the Schwaben Arms in Germany, specialists on HK91 G3 clones, offer some of their products with a incredible accuracy, briging the roller delayed blowback system to compete side by side with the best bolt sniper rifles in the world. Here is a example of one of their HK91 G3 clones, the SAR M41 DMR. Just watch the accuracy test on paper (3 shots @ 100 meters). For those claiming that the HK91 can´t be a sniper rifle, they are wrong!! The downside?? Ready to pay $4350 for this german baby...??
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My research and personal experience and seeing hk’s changes over the 34 years I have owned my hk is that at the time of the import restrictions hk was addressing the G-3’s barrel spec to reflect a new use of the platform. A 2-3 MOA military spec accuracy with military ball ammo within the 400 meter iron sight and the 4x optical sight was great for minute of man battlefield use then.

My 911 I think was the start of a change to increase the rifles accurate range to 600 yards by changing the rifling to 1 in 11“ twist and the chambering to 7.62 x 51 instead of .308.

separately the 911 had a barrel shroud added. That increased the political correctness and judging by recent changes may have changed the barrel harmonics.

why do I say this? I recently acquired 2 in the white allegedly hk g-3/91 barrels that have a machined during production “step“ in their forward profile. Fairly obvious to change the barrels harmonics.

i am thinking hk gave or released these particular barrels unofficially as my understanding is that barrels are no longer able to be distributed for military arms from Austria. Part kits yes. No barrels.

if a hk 91 owner wants a MOA or better DMR rifle to 600 yards with 168 grain Sierra HPBT bullets ot to 1000 yards with 169 grain updated Sierra HPBT bullets is to upgrade the barrel.

my understanding is that no one other than hk itself uses the French Albert & Duval cannon barrel steel which hk then adds several proprietary steps during manufacture to basically make a barrel that unless under extended FA use can not be worn out.

so a more accurate barrel and a better trigger is a fix.

unfortunately any non hk barrel would seem to be a normal service life item. 10k? 15k?

so for most owners a barrel swap and at least a trigger specialist’s trigger job would seem to be the way to tighten groups.

lots of reports of 1 1/2 MOA using hand loaded ammo similar to FGMM ammo

denny at WTS told me every hk was capable of MOA with his “set’ trigger(2.5#) and FGMM ammo. Everyone.

so replace the hk barrel and have a service life issue in the far future or keep the almost impossible to wear out hk barrel?

I cannot read the German website for more info but I am pretty certain that they change the barrel and redid the trigger control group.

as far as additional steps hk may have done to add to the cannon barrel life I think they may have cyro treated them with added RF during the process. Probably twice. M1 Abram’s German barrels are reported to be cyro treated during production.

thats why I picked up the 2 step machined forend hk 91 barrels when they showed up.

appear to be 7.62x51 chambered at 1 in 11” twist.

my opinion is that barrel harmomics hold back the rifles accuracy using ball ammo.

possible hk was aware of this and left it in the design so that in FA use the pattern of the bullets would be in a “cone” pattern. not in the same hole?

endless speculation but ways to increase a 91’s accuracy are fairly well known.

easiest are a triggerspecalities trigger and handloads or FGMM ammo in my opinion.
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Using a 40° lp may have tightened my groups. I haven't replaced my bbl or done a trigger job. Still in the break-in period for my PTR-91 so I can't say much for certain. There is a thread on here that talks about the 45°, 40°, and 36° lp's, and the 40° was said to have better accuracy and better for winter use? 6x scoped at 50yds with FGMM, a decent factory trigger, cheek rest, and the 40° german lp I'm just about getting clover leafs.

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50yds zeroing and breaking in w/ Prvi Partizan, Federal 150gr, and 168gr FGMM. I'll aim at different spots on the target if it gets beat up too hard in one spot.

This is with the A3SK sitting down resting on a bench with the above modifications. I did get a light primer strike so I just put in a PSG1 locking lever spring and I'm going to see what my groups are at in a couple hundred more rounds when everything is settled in. I'll post a target.
 
6x scoped at 50yds with FGMM, a decent factory trigger, and the 40° german lp I'm just about getting clover leafs.
What about 100 yards or meters?
 
Just to mention, the Schwaben Arms in Germany, specialists on HK91 G3 clones, offer some of their products with a incredible accuracy, briging the roller delayed blowback system to compete side by side with the best bolt sniper rifles in the world. Here is a example of one of their HK91 G3 clones, the SAR M41 DMR. Just watch the accuracy test on paper (3 shots @ 100 meters). For those claiming that the HK91 can´t be a sniper rifle, they are wrong!!

I would take everything Schwabenarms states or claims with a HUGE grain of salt.
And steer far away from any of their products.
 
It´s not a credible company?
They talk and claim a lot. Not all of it can be backed up.

They do build HK style guns, with parts from various sources. Most of the time they work flawlessly, build and finish quality varies.
I just wouldn't bet on the accuracy claims.


I know their prices are very high.
That they are.

Why that?
I would call them what Americans call rednecks / hillbillies... :sneaky:


...those who met them know what I mean.
 
PSGI‘s reportedly were .4MOA rifles. Some users shortened the barrels with little lose of accuracy noted.

G3Kurtz took his demo 10” barrel hk to show potential buyers that the rifle shot MOA with PSGI trigger group and FGMM ammo.

Then he swapped the trigger group to a FA capable one and fired the same rifle FA.

in my opinion all hk’s with a 2.5# trigger and FGMM ammo are MOA rifles. WTS told me this.

my 911(which has a 1 in 11” barrel and 7.62x51 chambering) easily shoots sub MOA with reloads.

A true match barrel and a set type trigger would allow their posted groups IMO.

Mine does quite close with its hk barrel and WTS “set” trigger group and my version of the military 168 grain sierra load.

as far as their actual ability to produce that accurate a rifle I assume that they can and did produce such a thing.

why? Because I could build a very similar rifle myself. A total amateur.

thats why I picked up the two allegedly hk barrels pictured. Stepped forward profile to lessen any barrel harmonics and 1 in 11” twist and 7.62x51 chambering.

i would be surprised if their rifles did not shoot that well.

Requires a set type trigger and a barrel.

my stepped barrels are bootleg back door hk parts I think.

judging by my 911’s barrel shrouds faked permanent attachment to the barrel hk is a shooters friend.

so they gave someone at least those two barrels to end up in someone’s hands to be actually be used versus destroy them.

i asked all the known by me barrel builders and they say it’s not their work.

i wonder if their barrels have a stepped forward profile? Like they got a supply of what i have?
 
They talk and claim a lot. Not all of it can be backed up.

They do build HK style guns, with parts from various sources. Most of the time they work flawlessly, build and finish quality varies.
I just wouldn't bet on the accuracy claims.




That they are.



I would call them what Americans call rednecks / hillbillies... :sneaky:


...those who met them know what I mean.
Well, let´s forget Schwaben rifles. And what do you think about the MKE T41, the copy of the HKG3 made in Turkey?
I`m thinking to puchase one, but I don´t know about their accuracy and reliability.
 
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