[firemancjack]

Save your money and get an HK940 instead of that plastic receiver piece of S**T!

Harry, want to put a little wager on which rifle wins in a shoot out? Winner gets to keep both rifles? I'll put up my $749 pos vs. your $3000 940! Btw, It's not a plastic reciever. It's called aluminum alloy. Google it if you've never heard of it.

 

[HarryCalahan1]

firemancjack is you think the SLB2000 will beat an HK940 you've inhaled some smoke!

Firemancjack if you actually believe that budget built SLB2000 will beat the high quality better built HK940 I hate to say it good buddy but you must have gotten smoke inhalation on a fire run!

I don't own an SLB2000 or an HK940 anyway but I'd bet on the 940 over an SLB any day. Again, please take better care of yourself on those fire runs and stop all that smoke inhalation-it's clouding your thinking.

The .30-06 rifles I own are high grade vintage bolt guns:
1. German Mauser 66S
2. Austrian Steyr Model M

These guns will shoot rings around any semi-auto!!

 

[dougk]

I don't own an SLB2000 or an HK940 anyway

Harry,
what HK long guns do you own?
thanks
Doug

 

[HarryCalahan1]

I own an HK 300 & 270 rimfires and Sold an SR9T...

I own right now an HK300 & HK270 rimfires. I owned and shot an HKSR9T for 10 years and briefly owned and shot an HK770 but I like my FN-FAL Paratrooper .308 better than the Hk's in .308.

The HK940 is the most robust .30-06 semiauto. But I believe the Bolt guns are still the best hunting and long range tools.

 

[dougk]

Do you want to sell your HK300? :901:

I have used Steyr in the past and own several Steyr pistols, Steyr makes nice firearms.

My wife really likes her Tikka .270 White Tail Hunter, my preference is the Valmet 412 system depending on he application the .30-06/.30-06, 12/9.3x74R, 12/.222 and 12/.243, all are very accurate for hunting. But there are hunting applications where a semi automatic is needed. IMHO the SLB2000 blows away any of the modern semi-automatic rifles.

 

[HarryCalahan1]

DougK that may very well be true.....

DougK the HK SLB2000 may very well blow away any modern semi-auto NOW MADE. The Remington 7400 is the worst friggin Semi-auto I've ever shot!! Although the Browning BAR sporting semiauto might very well give the SLB2000 a run for it's money.

And no the HK300 is definitely a keeper. It's the most Accurate .22 Mag semi-auto made!

A Valmet 412 Over/Under rifle??? That's damn interesting! You and i need to keep in touch Doug. My regular email is gilbert159@hotmail.com. Shoot me an email sometime Doug.

 

[eesmith1]

SLB2000 or 940

Having owned SL6/630 7/730 and a SLB2000, I have to say that HC simply doesn't know what he is talking about. Sure, they are built differently with the SLB being a much more modern gun in materials and machining techniques. If HK didn't do that to help keep costs down we would be spending $3K on them like the Blaser rifles. But to call it a POS?? I have to say that when you open up an SLB2000 all the critical parts are extremely well crafted and should last a lifetime. The piston is robust and well engineered. HK has done some wonderful engineering on the bolt assembly as well. As far as the alloy and polymer, that does help reduce the weight quite a bit and the wood on them is excellent. Anyone who is going to buy this rifle is probably going to hunt with it. Weight is an important aspect of a hunting rifle especially if you are humping it up and down the mountains of Colorado or Pennsylvania. The classic SL7 or 770 is a fine rifle but the recoil on them in .308 is more than the SLB with good hunting loads in 30-06. And there is more complexity to the bolt assembly with the roller delayed action.
The SLB2000 is a fine rifle and HK did the right thing to make it affordable to more people. Excellent HK quality throughout the gun.

 

[HarryCalahan1]

eesmith1 I stand corrected on the POS comment but....

Well eesmith1 I admit the parts are well put together and perhaps that statement about it being a POS was too strong.....I stand corrected but the HK770 & 940 are definitely more robust and built on the military-proven rollerlocked action are more durable!

Yes the SLB is lighter with the alloy receiver but the sheer quality of the 770 and 940 beat the SLB2000 to me! Also I firmly believe the HK940 will outshoot the SLB and would have to see proof that it won't in a range test before I'd believe it.

I don't like polymer or aluminum in big game sporting rifles (Military rifles are a different story) and won't buy them if made of such. Just an old school fella I guess but that HK770 is a damn nice rifle! I ownerd one briefly but like my FN-FAL Paratrooper better. Now that's a friggin shooter!

 

[eesmith1]

SLB vs 940

Well, I don't see what the difference in having a forged steel receiver or an alloy or even polymer receiver has to do with it. The bolt with the rotating bolt head and locking lugs locks into the barrel extension. All high grade steel. Browning has sold tons of belted magnum BAR and BLR rifles with alloy receivers and you don't hear anyone complaining about the receiver failing. And the roller locking bolt is a good system but complex and expensive to build. If they were the end all, why do 99% of all military guns have gas piston operated systems or direct gas systems? There are advantages to both obviously, but a piston operated rifle is also tried and true. Ask anyone who owns or has used an M1 Garand or an M-14. And as for accuracy of the semi-auto rifles versus a bolt action I think you are overstating the ability of a bolt gun to outshoot a well built and well handled semi-auto. Old wives tales. The Army certainly seems to think a lot of the new semi-auto sniper rifles they are using. Some of their reasoning was for greater fire power but I doubt they would accept a serious loss of accuracy to gain the added fire power in this type of rifle.

If you have never owned an SLB2000 I would not be so quick to bad mouth someone elses. HK cut no corners on the barrels, bolts, chamber cutting or the pistons. It isn't a roller locking gun but it is a more modern and easily manufactured rifle. Less costly, more modern manufacturing techniques and materials do not equal a cheap, poor quality rifle. I can tell you from personally shooting the SL7 and SLB side by side that the SLB will shoot with or even outshoot the SL7. Less felt recoil generally makes for better and more accurate shooting.

 

[HarryCalahan1]

eesmith1 I agree about the recoil of the rollerlocked HK guns....

eesmith1 I definitely agree about the recoil of the rollerlocked HK guns. They do recoil more.

However that says nothing about the intrinsic accuracy of the rifles. The HK940 is better built and more robust than the SLB2000. I have nothing against gas piston guns-I shoot one of the best in the FN-FAL Paratrooper.

However you're wrong about bolt action VS. semiauto rifles. The Army's number 1 Sniper rifle is the M40A1 and this is the number one Marine Corp sniper rifle although the M14 is indeed used. However, the primary US Marine Scout/Sniper issue weapon is also the Remington made bolt action M40A1 weighing about 19 lbs.!!

A jilt-edged accurate Mauser 66 or Steyr Model M with doubleset triggers will outshoot both the SLB2000 and the HK940. And yes the Bolt guns will have more recoil. Most bolt guns and indeed most centerfire big game rifles today are too light for caliber and that's also the reason for excessive recoil.

 

[dougk]

Eeesmith
if you had to take either the SL-7 or the SLB2000 for a stalking hunt (forget about the caliber, this is about the gun) going after hog or deer in the dusty Texas Hill Country which one would you take?

 

[eesmith1]

SLB or SL7

If I had both available to hunt down there I would grab the SLB ONLY because it is a less collectible rifle and the SL7 or 770 rifles are not getting any cheaper. They are both top choices. I have a friend in Norway that owns an SL7 and uses it for Moose hunts sucessfully every year. I am not a collector but a shooter. Having shot them both I don't see how you could go wrong with either choice. How do you like your SLB? Have you ever tried a red dot on it? I put a Zeiss Z-point on mine and it was fast.

 

[firemancjack]

Firemancjack if you actually believe that budget built SLB2000 will beat the high quality better built HK940 I hate to say it good buddy but you must have gotten smoke inhalation on a fire run!

I don't own an SLB2000 or an HK940 anyway but I'd bet on the 940 over an SLB any day. Again, please take better care of yourself on those fire runs and stop all that smoke inhalation-it's clouding your thinking.

The .30-06 rifles I own are high grade vintage bolt guns:
1. German Mauser 66S
2. Austrian Steyr Model M

These guns will shoot rings around any semi-auto!!

Well Harry....you would lose that bet! I have owned both and my 940, while a fine rifle in its own right was not as accurate as my SLB. At least not in my experience. It was accurate enough for a semi auto hunting rifle but not as accurate as my SLB. Not even close. Maybe mine was not the norm. The 940 was heavier and was not as fast handling. The recoil was painful compared to the SLB. The 940 was very finicky as to what types of ammo it would even feed let alone shoot accurately. Maybe mine was a lemon. I was tired of the jams and sold it 8-10 years ago. I was also tired of paying $125-$150 for magazines for it. Perhaps some other 940 owners could chime in and tell us what kind of accuracy they are getting. If you want a 940 I have a close friend who would sell his safe queen with all the accessories. As far as high grade bolt actions they very well should be accurate. That is not what this discussion was about. I'm sure yours are very accurate. I am not familar with your Mauser but have owned a couple of Steyr rifles over the years and know they are top quality.Also, thanks for your concern about my health! I assure you I am quite careful on calls but it's part of the job. Some runs are worse than others.

 

[HarryCalahan1]

firemancjack that's a revelation! They're supposed to be reliable...

Firemancjack that's a revelation! The 940 with it's roller locked action is supposed to be reliable. I know the HK770 in .308 is relaible and accurate.

Maybe it's the .30-06 round out of that type of action but it should work fine since the 940 is built for the larger round. The groups I've seen with the now common SLB2000 (1.75"-2.25" at 100 yrds) are just not acceptable to me. I could get much smaller groups with a stock Springfield M1A!

My FN-FAL Paratrooper is also more accurate than that. My bolt actions are used for all the serious hunting. Another semi-auto that I believe will outshoot the SLB is the Belgian made BAR (Not the military gun-the sporting one) in .30-06.

The worst .30-06 semi I ever fired is the Remington 7400!

 

[HK9150600]

I'll chime in.

I have a SLB2000 from Firemanjack, and it is a sweet shooter. The first time I shot the SLB I shot a 8 round touching group at 100 yards with Winchester 150gr PowerPoint ammo.

I was blown away at how accurate the SLB2000 was.

My Uncle deer hunts with a HK 940 30 06. He has had zero issues with the 940, and it is a good shooter. The SLB will shoot better than the 940.

I agree with others about steel vs. plastic, but spend a day hunting with the 940 and you will find is a tank ( just like deer hunting with the HK91) Also the HK 940 barrel is too long IMO.

The SLB is light weight, compact, and 1 MOA accurate or better.

My Uncle also owns a Benelli R1.....and I have to agree with others that the R1 is not that great. I am sad to say that. In my family we 8 Benelli Shotguns....and I love them to death, but I do not have warm feelings to the R1. The Benelli R1 is reliable, but the rifle will not hold a group. The best I could shoot with the R1 was 2 to 3 MOA. NOT GOOD

Since the HK SLB2000 is no longer made the only semi auto hunting rifles left are made by Benelli R1, Browning and Remington. Of the three the Browning is the best, hands down.

Remington is junk

Benelli is not that accurate

Browning is a great rifle. The new Shortrac is light (6.8 pounds) and accurate. My only dislike is the lack of a detachable mag. However, the new high cap FN / Browning Shortrac might be a winner.

 

[hkeverything]

HarryCalahan1, WTF are you talking about???

The Army's number 1 Sniper rifle is the M40A1 and this is the number one Marine Corp sniper rifle although the M14 is indeed used. However, the primary US Marine Scout/Sniper issue weapon is also the Remington made bolt action M40A1 weighing about 19 lbs.!!

First off, the Marine's buy the Remington 700 action from Remington and build the whole rifle for EACH Scout sniper (Utilizing parts of Badger Ordnance, Hart or Kreiger Barrels, etc... That's why they weigh so much!

The Army has NEVER used the M40A1 as that is a gun specific to the Marine Corp. The current M40 revision used is mainly the M40A3/M40A4 or M40A5. My buddy who is a scout sniper in the marines complains that the A4 and A5 McMillan stocks are too heavy and strictly uses his A3 revision with a fixed Unertyl 10x scope, or a Schmidt and Bender 10x PMII scope..

I just couldn't let this go without saying something...


Another thing, Why are you referencing "Bolt guns" when the topic of this thread was semi-auto hk rifles and how can you "infer" an understanding of any said rifles without actually owning them and shooting them at the same time under the same conditions?

 

[Carphunter]

actually, a Merkel SR-1 is for all intensive purposes, an SLB2000. new look... but same operating system. But with a newer, hefty price tag. I'm always watching...but distribution is slight... and I don't even know if I want to be tempted

Benellis and Brownings are not the only game in town (and I'm not even bringing up all the ar-10 style rifles out there now.

 

[jeray]

I'd love to see how one of these shoots:

http://www.frankonia.de/231772/132994/productdetail.html

 

[fragos]

I own an HK 300 & 270 rimfires and Sold an SR9T...

I own right now an HK300 & HK270 rimfires. I owned and shot an HKSR9T for 10 years and briefly owned and shot an HK770 but I like my FN-FAL Paratrooper .308 better than the Hk's in .308.

The HK940 is the most robust .30-06 semiauto. But I believe the Bolt guns are still the best hunting and long range tools.

Hi Harry
Been posting a request for an old HK Armorer for what appears to be like NIB 770. Inside bolt assembly looks new after 44 years.
Local gunsmith got fustrated and was told dont disassembly bolt assembly. But he thought better!Keep jamming on initial pull to unlock from battery. Can see why there is reistance on initial pull of cocking lever. Dont want to damage because it is mint just minor handling marks on metal and tigger wood. Any help Harry!

 

[freeride1]

Hi Harry
Been posting a request for an old HK Armorer for what appears to be like NIB 770. Inside bolt assembly looks new after 44 years.
Local gunsmith got fustrated and was told dont disassembly bolt assembly. But he thought better!Keep jamming on initial pull to unlock from battery. Can see why there is reistance on initial pull of cocking lever. Dont want to damage because it is mint just minor handling marks on metal and tigger wood. Any help Harry!

Dude, you're responding to threads from over a decade ago. "Harry" hasn't even logged on since Obama's first term.