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AP 53 Pistol 5.56

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#1 ·
The AP53 Pistol (Model# HG7888-N ) is a powerful & compact pistol built in Turkey by the experts at MKE. Century Arms takes care of the importing to the U.S.. It's chambered for 5.56x45mm NATO (not 9mm like the AP5). The AP 53 pistol is directly inspired by the iconic HK33 rifle. It combines reliability, acute precision, & a really innovative design. It sports the roller-delayed blowback system, an awesome feature known for reducing recoil and muzzle rise.
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#5 ·
Atlantic,

Some shot show coverage says this has a full auto carrier and chrome lined barrel.

Since you have a test unit, can you verify if it comes with those features and if it is sear ready?

Thanks!!
I don't see how this would be legally possible. These are two pin housing guns so no semi shelf. Without a welded in carrier denial bar they would be a machine gun. The denial bar prevents a FA carrier from dropping into the receiver.
 
#12 ·
The AP53 Pistol (Model# HG7888-N ) is a powerful & compact pistol built in Turkey by the experts at MKE. Century Arms takes care of the importing to the U.S.. It's chambered for 5.56x45mm NATO (not 9mm like the AP5). The AP 53 pistol is directly inspired by the iconic HK33 rifle. It combines reliability, acute precision, & a really innovative design. It sports the roller-delayed blowback system, an awesome feature known for reducing recoil and muzzle rise.
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When do orders start getting accepted?!
 
#16 ·
The show sample was not what I would call ready for prime time. The pins were tight so there was no way to take it apart to see it. The polymer mag was tight in the rifle. Cocking the rifle was a chore so not sure what that problem was with that. Finish looked like rattle can paint. The reps are uniformed and know almost nothing, but this has become the norm for most vendors at Shot Show, the people they have in the booths know almost nothing about the products displayed.
 
#17 ·
That sounds awful. I will wait for reviews. What I really want is a HK91/G3 clone with a 16-18” barrel of some form. Not really interested in a shorty 308.

There is also NO excuse for not training your reps to represent your products well. That summarizes everything that is wrong with our country and society these days. Complete apathy. I have zero tolerance for that.
 
#19 ·
Simmer down, I’ll take an MKE product over all of the us builders any day of the week.

I’ve never had a 100% reliable clone built in the states. And I’ve tried a bunch.

We have 100s of thousands of rounds through MKE, with common service parts needing replacement. When they get too rough we cut them up…

They have a sales sample, one of the only few in the country.
 
#30 ·
We hope to get one for an evaluation.

We just did a evaluation and review on the MKEAP5SD.
If we do get one guys I will post a lot of video and information if it helps..
We hope they're in decent shape and construction but it's sometimes can be a gamble with them


 
#32 ·
MKE has been building these for military for years. It’s not like this is a new product. I have high confidence in these. I’m very seen a couple G3 and HK33/53 parts kit builds come through my local shop and usually they’re close to that 2k mark. These are the same price except they’re brand new. I like that the furniture and everything is correct as well, it doesn’t look to me like they took any liberties with it. That all said, I have a couple other guns higher up on my list and am hoping the street price may trickle down a little in that time, but I would kick myself for not picking one up. I would be curious to try that 51 too.
 
#33 · (Edited)
I think the biggest thing over the years all the different importers of the MKE's we have seen such a inconsistency in the manufacturing process and quality of the builds it basically has to be done one gun at a time I can't tell you how many guns have been sent back and exchanged for others to try and attempt to get a better gun.
The MKE's are of no way quality of true German factory guns.
For example the T50 which is their version of the 33 is very close to the 33 but different in several ways the receiver alone is a little different. Also quality of the materials they're made From and other methods that are not Same way Germany does.. One of the biggest issues we found over the years is the barrel pin and straightness of the barrel pin hole in the trunnion And the use of oversized pins. And sometimes the rear push pin weldments We're not installed properly and are sometimes crooked in the receivers. There are numerous things from the magazine catches not cut correctly. But what do you expect for the price it is a very manageable way to get into a good range gun. And normally they can be upgraded to a better quality firearm.

But really it's a case-by-case basis on these guns you may see one that is pretty much perfect and with any issues and then you may see one right after that with lots of issues the quality control is just not the same.

And unfortunately unless you use a modified Carrier they are not very good host guns for sear guys. Due to the ATF it's pretty clear on not removing the blocks .Zenith arms brought this up when they were the importer and the issues they had with removing the blocks used to be posted on their website.


And it's always the little details with them like for example the pictures showing of the 53 clone that is coming in shows it with a MP5 hand guard why would they just not put a 53 hangard on the weapon makes no sense.
Something we've seen in the new imported AP5S d's is the trigger packs there not even correct in fitting or finish or movement So like I said these are no way the quality of a German or even an American made clone.

But they are priced at a point that it could be a easy fixed and make a good semi auto gun
 
#36 ·
Okay, here's the thing that you've realized that others have not and it drives me nuts. People keep thinking that they've hacked the system and can buy a MKE and somehow get German HK quality at a third of the price. It is true, MKE has HK tooling. It is true, HK engineers once stood over the shoulders of MKE workers in Turkey and watched them build MP5s. It is true, while HK stood over their shoulders, MKE was capable of making quality products. Is HK currently there helping them? No. Does MKE in Turkey have the same quality standards as HK in Germany? No. I would personally take a US made Zenith MP5 clone over a MKE MP5 clone, but I bought the HK over both of them. The problem is no one is making a HK33 or 53. PTR did very well with their 91 clone and parts kits are out there if you want something more authentic. On the other hand, many countries stuck with the G3 and didn't adopt the 556 HK's and there are very few partis kits out there. From what I've seen, they're also more than 10x more expensive than a G3 parts kit. I'm not going to take this AP53 to fight a war and I won't even put it by my bed as a home defense tool. It'll sit in the safe and come with me to the farm so I can preach HK gospel and rant about the roller delayed blowback system. It doesn't have to be perfect. I'm just happy it exists.
 
#35 ·
I totally agree with you sir with the prices of parts these days no manufacturer can meet the prices that the importers are bringing in.. It is expensive to manufacture parts here in the United States and just cannot do it like some of these foreign countries where they have different laws on how people are paid are treated.. And like I said in the post these guns can be made to run really well and I really like the AP5SD it's really a nice gun with little bit of work..
And I am excited about seeing the 53 and the quality Of it.
 
#39 ·
Love to see all the new join dates to the HKPRO forum and HK world. What most of the newer members don’t realize is that there are no fantastic 556 90 series clone receiver flats and therefore the 556 90 series clone world is a complete CRAP shoot. Some guns work, some don’t have a chance in hell! Some guns have canted sights and tolerances all over the place and a few don’t! The AP53 seems like a cool product but for a full auto host, it is my understanding it will have the auto bolt block. I’m not an expert gunsmith on the 90 series but I know quite a bit and I can confidently say there won’t be a sear trip solution like that exits in 9mm. Maybe Im wrong……. What I see in the AP53 is a SBR opportunity to “maybe” get a better 556 receiver. The bad news is for the full auto sear host/reg pack community, I don’t think this will be all that great given the position on the bolt block.
 
#40 ·
I didn't realize it, until you said it, but you are absolutely right about a removable trip not being an option to make the AP53 into a sear host. There are two reasons:

A F/A HK53 carrier only has about 1/8" of material behind the trip ramp. There needs to be enough space/material in this area to allow adding a screw and threaded hole so that a trip can be bolted on. A TSC SP5-style removable trip might work, but there may be too little room even for that option.

Secondly, the AP5/MP5/SP5 carrier's trip ramp is about an inch forward of the back of the carrier. This means the trip section on the carrier stays forward of the bolt block even under full recoil with the carrier at the rearward most position in the reciever. On the HK53 the trip ramp is right at the back of the carrier. There is no way the carrier could get anywhere near the buffer under recoil without contacting the bolt block. It may not even let it go back far enough to pick up the next round.

I'm pretty confident in saying the only way to make the AP53 into a sear host will be to do a HK-9X shelf conversion and remove the bolt block.
 
#42 ·
The AP53 Pistol (Model# HG7888-N ) is a powerful & compact pistol built in Turkey by the experts at MKE. Century Arms takes care of the importing to the U.S.. It's chambered for 5.56x45mm NATO (not 9mm like the AP5). The AP 53 pistol is directly inspired by the iconic HK33 rifle. It combines reliability, acute precision, & a really innovative design. It sports the roller-delayed blowback system, an awesome feature known for reducing recoil and muzzle rise.
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Any word on when these will be available? Thx!