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Exactly, that's the interesting part.

Obviously the last import was so lawful that they had to stop doing these...

And somebody mentioned the "intent" part already above.

I wouldn't buy anything like that without a proper explanation and assurance.
Because if S hits the F, they simply and conveniently go out of business and you are SOL.
The last imports were stopped under the Biden admin ATF. They were directed to F us all in many ways. And they did. Again, purposeful ambiguities. I’d bet the MR223A3 could be imported again as pistols.
 
My point was that we’re not going to be erecting statues, having cake, or declaring it “AU day” here. They’re making money, and that’s more than enough.



I certainly don’t think you’re an AU or B&T shill, or their inside man here.😂

I don’t think we know the how yet, but it’s not out of the realm of possibility that it’s stretching the rules, or operating in very, very, gray area.



I don’t have an axe to grind. I’m just not willing to ignore the stratospheric pricing, the legal gray area around the importation, or pretend that any business profiting off this community is somehow doing us a favor. It’s a business, not a charity. They’re not doing this for us, they’re doing it to make money.

Whether we agree with U.S. import restrictions or not, the laws/rules are pretty clear about what firearms, what components, whether or not NFA items can and cannot be imported, and how 922(r) applies when manufacturing a firearm using imported components. So when someone’s selling an all German parts MR223 SBR, they’re operating deep in a legal gray area.

HK probably could have done what other manufacturers do (or have done) by having them leave the factory in Germany in a state that makes them not magazine fed self loading firearms, and then completed the manufacturing here domestically with 922(r) parts to make semi-auto rifles. HK has been a risk averse company since being burned by the 89 import bans, and also when it was struggling financially. Perhaps the decision to pursue this type of import was one made due to those reasons, or perhaps their aversion to this approach is one of ethics or principles.



I agree. I’m just going to make sure people know that the price is exorbitant, and that the 100%+ profit margin leaves a lot of room for AU to drop the price, while still making money. Hopefully that message gets through to people and they don’t fall victim to FOMO, which could end up saving our members money.



People have long memories, and these things keep coming up because the issues were never addressed head on, and no ownership of the issues was displayed. Instead, they’ve skirted the rules by promoting their business without being a supporting vendor here, posing as a casual visitor to their own shop. They pick fights with people who voice criticism, and they’ve tried to retaliate against those who’ve spoken out. It’s a textbook case of how not to engage with a community. So there’s an element of reaping what they’ve sown.
Thanks for the clarification. I understand where you’re coming from.
 
and no ownership of the issues was displayed.
Not even publicly admitting that they are acting here directly in their own business interest in disguise.

they’ve skirted the rules by promoting their business without being a supporting vendor here
And the people in charge here still let them do that. That's crazy, isn't it? :sneaky:
 
So this ends all the AU conspiracy theories.
Which theories does it end?

He said B&T is importing the uppers and lowers.
That was known all along.
AU didn't import any of the stuff discussed here they sold lately.

The questions about the exact legalities of these imports is still unanswered, though.
 
Which theories does it end?



That was known all along.
AU didn't import any of the stuff discussed here they sold lately.

The questions about the exact legalities of these imports is still unanswered, though.
So we know these are German Uppers and Lowers. We know B&T is importing them. How they legally bring them in is besides the point. B&T, Axarms, and AU are big companies. Lets thank them for offering these European Versions to us. A lot of people here put that they are skeptical that these rifles are legit, that has been answered. I can care less how legally they bring them in. But they legally being them in. Its not like we are gonna import them ourselves. And we have never seen an MR308 here in the States. One word EXCITING!
 
We know B&T is importing them. How they legally bring them in is besides the point.
It is not if it backfires for one reason or another.

B&T, Axarms, and AU are big companies.
They are not "big" by any measure.

Have you ever been at B&T? Have you ever been at a real industrial arms manufacturer?

And AU being a "big" company didn't prevent them to fall for that M320-scam...

that has been answered.
It has not been answered.

Not a single word of explanation on the way they deal with the import restrictions has been given.
No advice on the detailed legalities has been given.
Only general claims unsupported by any proof have been made.

I can care less how legally they bring them in.
You do you, bro.

But they legally being them in.
That remains to be seen.


So stop spreading false information. Be excited, that's up to you. Buy whatever you want, that's also up to you.
But don't claim that any "conspiracy theories" (which don't exist) are "ended" and don't claim that it has been answered how these guns are legally imported. Because it hasn't.
 
an MR308 One word EXCITING!
I agree with you it’s awesome. However @German is right to be skeptical of legality. I’d rather have a stable supply on the market than high priced rifles imported in 2 pieces. The lowers I guess would be imported as replacement parts vs an other/pistol since it’s incomplete. The upper would be considered parts only?
But how do these comply with 922R once assembled? It’s pretty gray and I’d rather ATF not show up at the door. FRT triggers are a good example of legal but gray area for consumers.
 
I agree with you it’s awesome. However @German is right to be skeptical of legality. I’d rather have a stable supply on the market than high priced rifles imported in 2 pieces. The lowers I guess would be imported as replacement parts vs an other/pistol since it’s incomplete. The upper would be considered parts only?
But how do these comply with 922R once assembled? It’s pretty gray and I’d rather ATF not show up at the door. FRT triggers are a good example of legal but gray area for consumers.
This is exactly the conclusion I came to. Buying the lower by itself, youre creating the 922r exposure. I'll buy a whole gun once they start showing up, just a legally imported gun at that point.
 
This is exactly the conclusion I came to. Buying the lower by itself, youre creating the 922r exposure. I'll buy a whole gun once they start showing up, just a legally imported gun at that point.
They are offering the whole gun now for $6k? Expensive.

 
Which theories does it end?



That was known all along.
AU didn't import any of the stuff discussed here they sold lately.

The questions about the exact legalities of these imports is still unanswered, though.
Here's a "theory":

If B&T had received an original batch of MR223's from HK Germany prior to the EU tightening export rules , they could have legally stocked and warehoused them in Switzerland.

Those barrels/uppers, that sat in B&T's inventory, could legally be reexported to the U.S.as Swiss origin firearm parts.

The reclassification of origin from German to Switzerland via B&T changes the export licensing burden. It's legal......but REALLY GRAY area......thus the previously made comment HERE that these are it....

But hey......it's just a "theory".
 
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just a legally imported gun at that point
The thing is that as of now there is no legal way known to import rifles of that kind legally. Actually there are explicit regulations against importing this type of weapon.

There are ways to circumvent these regulations, some of them used by other manufacturers, that involve modifications to the guns once within the US. HK doesn't do that.

The last attempt to circumvent these regulations has been stopped by ATF after a short while due to misrepresentation of the guns by the importer, luckily without the buyers having to return their semi-legally imported guns.

Again: So far neither AU as the seller nor B&T USA as the importer has explained how these imports are legal under current regulations and what the legalities are when putting together upper and lower when the intent of these imports is clearly recognizable.

They just claimed that it is legal. Contradicting some 30+ years of precedence.
 
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